in the kind of mack troe environment we see going forward, we still think there is a place for those high-quality defensive stocks so there is a thesis there apart from the dividend. but, getting on to the high-yield question, with a higher tax rate next year, what it does is i think it makes it quite important for investors to think about asset location and perhaps there's a more efficient place to hold these assets that are becoming less tax efficient. for instance, hold them in your i.r.a. don't hold them in your taxable account. >> let's channel our inner howie mandel, deal or no deal on the fiscal cliff? >> we think deal but not this year. we think there will be a deal around the framework potentially but that the real tax and entitlement reform discussions will have to be hammered out in 2013. >> katie nixon, thanks for being with us. >>> let's hear what washington has to say and we'll talk about that more later on this hour of -- >> tyler, despite what could be positive developments, our economy is still of course to a certain extent being held hostage as we await the outcome